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Weband 45 expands slightly more than 9 mm This also depends on specific round construction. Can someone comment on this? Ruger already dominates the American handgun market, and they are very profitable, so it may not have been worth it to them. But with my Kimber Colt 45 I hit first shot no problem and it left that watermellon in disaster. They should provide officers who can control the larger weapons a choice about which pistol they are permitted to carry. The same companies make the 45acp and other calibers! Now call me a troll as I suspect you may be in love with your clunky Glock and .9mm round. There are four major handgun founding factors. So banter on gentlemen. He kicked in the door and she was able to disarm him ( He was lying next to the bathroom door. Its a freaking tarantula. What, is that like an every day occurrence? Youd be much better served with HOT 357 mag loads or a 44mag. The rest of the argument as far as damage goes, should be common sense. Let the Craftsman pick his tools! I have not fired it yet but have dry fired it some to get back in tune. Look for a box or option labeled Home Page (Internet Explorer, Firefox, Safari) or On Startup (Chrome). Handgun Wounding Factors: A Caliber Effectiveness Guide for human body 45 ACP And since the FBI was the agency who failed in the first place well, why follow thier blind lead? Now lets get back to today in time and we do have very good defense ammo so most of the time Id agree that the 9mm is equal to any other round out there today for human sized targets and smaller as well. And I am surprised that this was not mentioned. Now thats hilarious. So you better have the biggest heaviest bullet going down range that you can possibly get. The germans used 9mm forever and they know their guns and war making. The deers shot with 9 ran and ran far compared to the short distance the 45 shot deer covered (100yds or less). The flesh can tear and cells can burst as the tissue erupts outward and then slams back. The best I heard about itcirca Desert Shieldwas that at least the guns werent beaten completely to death, badly maintained by armorers who were phoning it in, and handed out off the rack with worn-out springs and safety levers falling out, like the M1911s had been ever since after Korea. The old adage If its good enough for the military, its good enough for me. is just nonsense today. Copyright 2023 Police1. Really.. and air on the nose of the bullet?! Police usually shoot from a distance. Keep in mind, competing for government contracts is expensive, time-consuming, and maintaining an awarded contract can be a royal pain in the you-know-what! .45 ACP damage increased from 35-40-65 to 35-40-75, and minimum damage decreased from 60% to 50%. But you have not reached the mark to replace that recoil spring. We report stories that would go untold. Developed in the early 1960s, the .223 round was first used in Vietnam. I owned a 9mm years ago and liked the gun, though the grip was too large for me due to the double stack magazine. 158 gr 0.38" Special P and 0.357" Magnum semi-jacketed bullets will penetrate both sides of a human skull. The 45 ACP is my choice of a Heavy Hitter. Now let me add a little something about 9mm vs .45. Makes no difference to me. Between 14 and 45 , flak jacket and 5 mag 20 7.76 stayed in shape. It is also logical to assume that when the larger round enters a major body organ, the negative impact upon that organ will be more significant. The .45 is a less desirable round because of Air Resistance? Desert Eagle Ammo Type: .45 ACP. I carry a Sig P226 9mm, or a Springfield 1911 in 45. Startle affect. Lee reloading gear. But the modern bullets are getting better all the time! Spread the word; knowledge is power! Dan, your and many others comments ring true. I would easily give credit to the Colt 45 on reliability accuracy and range, my 9mm all it really does better is shoot faster because it has a 4 lb. What makes the .223 potentially deadlier than the .22 is its velocity. All this scientific garbage really sounds great, but if you need fifteen rounds to eliminate a threat you got real bad aiming habits. Black Talon People have walked off from head shot wounds from the venerable .45, .38 mag, etc. So logically the 45 is more effective at stopping Humans, than the 9mm, data from lethal census. Q-do you think your mind will change about +P in a 45 cal? 15 round mag of 9mm FMJ unless you hit the heart better plan on using 3 to 5 rounds to stop the person. Having fired 45 ACP and 9mm at human targets the 9 took 3 sometimes 4 hits c.o.m. WebActually, three different types of pressure change appear: (1) shock wave pressures or sharp, high pressure pulses, formed when the missile hits the body surface; (2) very high pressure regions immediately in front and to each side of the moving missile; (3) relatively slow, low pressure changes connected with the behavior of the large explosive He didnt get more than three feet from the bathroom. Fired expert m14. This doesnt factor shot placement. Watch the .22 and the .223 tested on blocks of ballistics gelatin, a material that mimics human tissue. If I ever have to use my firearm to defend myself or my family, I want all of the energy from that round to be expended in the target. Now lets talk about wound cavities caused by different caliber handgun rounds. With practice almost anything is possible. It stood there looking at me. As long as YOU are comfortable with the choice, then Im happy for you! Your shots have to count. The main reason I now have a 9 mm is that at the time, I could not find a small enough 45 that was double action. Secondly, if you you tube ballistic testing of the 9mm and 45acp, lets say using Federal HSTs you will see that the 9mm round is more than capable and every bit as functional as the 45 in getting the job done. However, caliber is at least as important and should not be ignored when choosing a weapon. Of these, the hollow point round is the most common and effective. I also read a recent article about a fishing guide who shot and killed a grizzly bear with a 147gr, 9mm from a S&W 3913. Semiautomatic rifles dont shoot the largest bullets on the market. Both hit 15 first shot, .45 exploded watermelon leaving trails about 15 feet behind, 9mm put a hole in it nothing more. Of course, not being in the military, or law enforcement, my goal is no collateral damage! There are two effects of electromagnetic waves on human body. Work scenarios out in your head before they happen. Durys Gun Shop has served San Antonio and the South Texas region for half a century. Guy KEPT COMING and managed to shoot back twice. The issue is the 9mm one penetrated which resulted in through and through shots. Heart shot, rolled it on the spot. the article mentions that where a bullet hits the human body is also a major factor on whether it inflicts a mortal wound. Okay, I have to give them props on this part of the statement because this is 100% correct. Riley, love your artical. Richard, I guess I have little feminine hands as I prefer to carry my 9mm for self-defense and on duty. Rhee explained that the more massive the projectile, the more severe the wound. That said a handgun is only used to get to a bigger firearm..it was never ment to be used in longer than 30 meter engagements. When theres no more powder burning to push the projectile, it decelerates. 9mm capacity! The .357sig does have very impressive ballistics. In one case study of a 24-year-old man struck in the chest by a .40-caliber hollow-point pistol round, doctors found organ damage outside the direct path of the I have shot many different calibers. Your tax-deductible donation will directly support nonprofit journalism on gun violence and its effects on our communities. With the spine on the backside with the arteries running along it, coupled with the obesity of the fast food hoodlum, that penetration was considered more key. Cheap crap. Youve been practicing with your weapon on a consistent basis. Fair testing without the bias of budgets and the need to carry what every one else is carrying would be quite refreshing and lend more to the safety of the officer or soldier who may be fighting his or her life. The best stopping power is a complex mix of many different factors, including how fast the round is traveling and what it does when it enters the attackers body. This was not a good CC carry for me so I stoped carring for a while. A little back ground, for almost 17 years that I carried a badge I carried a S&W 6 357 on a K frame as my service carry. Or 45 cal quickly changes the perspective f the individual. Even minor and common factors can significantly impact the wounding ability of a round, including damage to a hollow point through contact with any intervening material, from glass to bone. The pool of cartridges in the study are grouped which makes the data integrity less reliable but each group of larger calibers exhibit significant percentage better lethality. I daily now carry a 9 mm. Why bullet size matters in police shootings | PoliceOne.com Witnessed it first hand. Its why neck-down cartridges for .223 are even used. What we do know, however, is that when most people are shot, they fall down. I am old school. When you consider that almost all wounds from pistol caliber firearms were inflicted with SMGs, and when you consider that the most common German 9mm round issued during the war used a 90gr steel-core bullet loaded to do over 1400 ft/sec from pistol length barrels and 1800+ out of SMGs, and you compare this to the lumbering 230gr .45 caliber bullet that had less than half that velocity, it seems pretty plausible. By the way. More rounds the better. WebSTI Tactical. Gramins was using a 13+1 capacity Glock 21 in .45 ACP. The HRP is concerned with long-term health consequences of radiation exposure such as cancer, as well as adverse effects to the central nervous and cardiovascular systems. You do your failure drill. We argued more capacity modern rounds ect ect. I sure do love 45acp though. 3 more replies -8w7- 13 hr. Project: Aftermath Wiki. .45 ACP vs 9mm: Which Is Better? - Gun Digest Ammunition can really change performance. 10..again 10 rounds landed on target. If a projectile has features that would cause it to expand upon impact, U.S. Army engineers Donald Carlucci and Sidney Jacobson explained in the textbook, Ballistics: Theory and Design of Guns and Ammunition. When the weather is colder and requires a jacket or coat, I carry my Glock 30s, extra mag for either. The .45, for instance, is slightly slower than the 9mm, but features a more massive projectile, with 250 grains of mass compared to the 9mms typical 115 grains. And both my wife and my son HATE the Kahr (makes their hand hurt). Walked closer and finished it with a 44 round between the eyes. Firing Modes: Semi-auto. According to the song the battle for New Orleans, canonbalks were fired from alligator mouths which showed resourcefulness. Patricks treatise outlines the following factors to consider regarding handgun bullets: Accordingly, the best handgun rounds will reliably cause a permanent cavity that will penetrate the soft tissue of an adversary between 12 and 18 inches. I think that the argument here has gone the wrong direction. Hence poor shot placement, causing a miss or worse the poor animal suffering a slow painful unnecessary death. This is accomplished through simple physics; a larger bullet imparts more force into its target than a smaller one. Wow now this argument of 9 mm verses 45 acp is stupid. Ill take an M4, even with the M855 green-tip ammo that everyone says sucks, over an MP40 or a Thompson or any handgun any day of the week. A .50 Desert Eagle is no good if you cannot carry it and get it out and shoot it accurately and fairly quickly, no matter what the knock-down power if you were able to hit anything with it. It may take 2 rounds to take someone down, but the shooter will have a lot easier follow up shots with the smaller 9mm. Cant get into why I know this but but Im retired from the Government. Trauma surgeons, the guys actually opening up peoples chests and trying to put them back together, say otherwise.