The PLAs missile forces are central to Chinas efforts to deter and counter third-party intervention in a regional conflict, a US congressional report concluded this month. Where are our statesmen?". If a conflict were to erupt in east Asia, then the Chinese military is closer to on par with the United States. "Given the size of the Australia's forces and the logistic constraints on the US forces, a war against China would be a very hard war to fight. Satellite image of Chinese vessels in the Whitsun Reef in a disputed zone, March 23, 2021. Credit:Maxar Technologies via AP. If China chooses to attack the island of Taiwan, the United States could be helpless to stop it. Inflation and unemployment would surge, especially in the period in which the economy is repurposed for the war effort, which might include some automobile manufacturers switching to building aircraft or food-processing companies converting to production of priority pharmaceuticals. China or the US could do this by feeding misleading information to satellites from the ground known as spoofing to stop the space-based location pinpointing needed for weapons. "Notwithstanding their entirely different circumstances, for Australia to support Taiwan against China would be similar to Australia's supporting Catalonia against the Castilians. It has additional radars and air defence weapons on outposts in the South China Sea, which extend its IADS zone out even further, although these latter systems can be destroyed by the US. "We have done work that shows that 'risk aversion'is the critical factor in avoiding war. "Major combat against the United States means two nuclear-armed states fighting each other. China produces more ships, steel and smartphones than any other country and is a world leader in the production of chemicals, metals, heavy industrial equipment and electronics the basic building blocks of a military-industrial economy. Its military budget is greater than the combined expenditure of India, Russia, Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. Its a problem long recognised by defence analysts and planners. Thinking of scale I am reminded that In 1944 the US alone out-produced the rest of the world combined in all war stores before the wars ended in 1945. Earlier this month, the United States Air Force staged a demonstration involving four heavily armed F-16 fighters. China is now the dominant global industrial power by many measures. "In the case of war with China the questions we need to ask ourselves are: "When I stepped down as the Chief of theDefence Force in July 2002 I had not seen any information leading to the conclusion that an invasion of Iraq was inevitable. "I worry when politicians start to think it is acceptable to use the media to make threats about war. "When the US closed down Bagram airbase in Afghanistan the Afghan Army collapsed. The structure of the military is also different. Taiwan cannot be resupplied by land. Who would win in a battle between the U.S. and Australia? Australians could wake up one morning to the news that we are at war with China. There are still hundreds of diplomats and politicians around the world including in Canberra working openly and behind the scenes to ensuretensions between China and the US never escalate into war. It was Kevin Rudd who coined the phrase a "decade of living dangerously". by Robert Farley L Key Point: Escalation spirals are hard to. "If they think the blockade is failing, they may declare victory by pointing to the damage already inflicted or they might escalate to attacking US forces supporting Taiwan. Australia is especially exposed. And thats precisely the same vulnerability that saw obsolete battleships sent to the bottom so quickly during World War II. He says that unlike the experience of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan that affected only the members deployed into the conflict and their families, a war with China would have an impact on all Australians "economically, financially and personally it is likely to impoverish us all; it may even kill most of us if it goes nuclear". "The irrational elements thus make direct large-scale confrontation between two nuclear powers very dangerous. In the recent parliamentary inquiry into war powers reform, the Department of Defence said it didn't think parliament should have authority to decide our involvement because that 'could undermine the confidence of our international partners as a reliable and timely security partner'. "He would rather support Taiwan and enlist countries around the world in sanctioning or condemning China. But that would require strikes on Chinas mainland, with all the enormous risks of escalation that could portend. Who has a better and stronger military, navy, air force, etc? "China's leaders could discreetly offer negotiations to Taiwan's leaders during a blockade before the risky step of ordering an amphibious invasion," Professor Fernandes says. And the West may not be able to do much about it. If we lost a single frigate, that's around 170 lives in an afternoon. "The forces are relatively evenly matched, because USadvantages in technology are balanced by China's advantages in geography fighting close to home. We acknowledge Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the First Australians and Traditional Custodians of the lands where we live, learn, and work. Admiral Chris Barrie says that with all the "overblown rhetoric" about the possibility of war against China he thinks there is a danger of forgetting that war should only ever be taken as the last means of resolving insurmountable differences between nation states. 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US forces would be fully committed to the maximum of their capacity, and they would expect and indeed demand the same of us.. If the US went to war with China, who would win? Mr. Xi has championed Chinas political warfare capabilities as a magic weapon.. China is also developing the capabilities needed to support military operations at range, said Nouwens, suggesting they could attack across large distances. To use the words of one leading military analyst, Australia could find itself "sleepwalking" into a war with China. But precision bombing requires the military to have access to space, where orbiting satellites help guide munitions. Of all the uncertainty and conflict in the world at the moment, for Australians this surely is one of the most important discussions we must have. "Taiwan doesn't have a Plan B that's the big problem. Today, Chinas military spending is the second-highest in the world after the United States and continues to rise. "In its causation, [war with China] would be no different from any of the wars Australia has participated in since World War II. "It is not clear how formidable Taiwan'sdefences would prove to be in the face of a Chinese invasion. Part 1. The map below, compiled from data provided by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), is the most accurate nuclear attack map and fallout demonstration available for 2023: (Image courtesy of FEMA and Halcyon Maps) The fallout would rapidly spread, turning targeted cities into whole affected regions. The contemplation of war can only be justified after all other means of settling differences have failed, and we are a long way from reaching this position (over Taiwan)," he says. Fishing boats could push into ancestral territory, backed up by armed coast guard vessels. The US believes China has about 2000 mid-range missiles in place, which could ward off the US Navy in a conflict. Please try again later. Admiral Chris Barriemakes the point that its possible the impact on Australia of any war with China could be greater than any other participant because of Australias low population. There are debates today about how reform of the UN is needed to deal with contemporary security challenges but not much progress has been made. In providing for our own defence we ought to be able to make sufficient and good quality plans provided we have the will to do so. War over Taiwan would be disastrous, Australias chief of defence General Angus Campbell told a recent gathering. Are bills set to rise? A war with China over Taiwan, awful as that would be, involves no Australian national interests. The US military has been racking up decades of in-the-field experience, most recently with deployments in Afghanistan and Iraq and the Middle East. "When I was born in 1945 the world population stood at about 2.7 billion people. "Unlike the experience of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan that affected only the members deployed into conflict, and their families, a war with China will have an impact on all Australians economically, financially, and personally. But the definition of ancestral territory appears to be changing rapidly. And given Beijings singular focus on finding a way to sink US-style aircraft carriers, their capacity to carry combat aircraft into effective range has been dramatically curtailed. The US is suddenly no longer the world's only military superpower. "A big unknown is whether Japan would grant expanded rights to the US to use bases located on its territory, without itself joining the combat directly unless its territory is attacked. "The bases in South Korea and Japan may not be available, and Guam may also be unavailable. Maybe, that explained why President Bush and Prime Minister Howard, from the right of politics, and Mr Blair from the left of politics, shared the view about the need for the invasion.". It depends how it starts China and the United States are the great rivals in the competition to win the 21st century. The context for decision making would be vitally important weighing the potential costs to the country, domestically and internationally, against the value of that cost for maintaining the ANZUS relationship. The vision is not a new one: White knights charging forth, flags flying, to save friends from a bellowing dragon. In July 2020, BeiDou, Chinas version of GPS became fully operational, allowing it to track ships, planes, cars and smartphones from space without relying on the US technology that has dominated global positioning for decades. We should not assume it will attempt this.". The Peoples Liberation Army is capable of substantially subduing the US Navy in the waters around China, a Communist Party-owned newspaper boasts. "In the past, when I was working in government, we sometimes offered ministers some indication of the possible cost in lives if things went badly in the kind of lower-level commitments that we made in the 1990s. Ifthey think the blockade is failing they may declare victory by pointing to the damage already inflicted, or they might escalate to attacking US forces that are supporting Taiwan. Even with robotic flying tanker support, these enormous ships must operate dangerously close to an enemy before their F-18 Super Hornets and F-35B&C Lightnings are of any use. But it has always seemed to me that China, if it decides on military action to force "reunification"is more likely to mount a blockade than an invasion. The United States cannot win a war against China over Taiwan, four Australian defense experts have said in a series of interviews conducted by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. Steaming at 25 knots, an aircraft carrier in Pearl Harbour would take about a week to reach Taiwan. "In a war involving Taiwan, US forces would be deployed over long distances from CONUS [Continental United States]. Chinas focus on its region would give it a local advantage in any clash with the US. A month earlier, Xi Jinping had told the Peoples Liberation Army: We should persist in using combat to guide our work; step up preparations for war.. the outcome for the U.S. was not a good one, a new report revealed this week. "To the extent that China's strategy is informed by Sun Tzu, it would have a strong preference for a short, sharp war. The feud over the reigns of global influence is playing out in Southeast Asia. We seem incapable of arresting trends towards existential climate change threats. And that is where any fight to resolve Taiwan's fate will be resolved. The decision to go to war would not require a public discussion. The area around it would be highly contested and US war reserve stocks in the Pacific are earmarked for US forces that will assist Taiwan not for Taiwan itself. Mastro notes that in war scenarios the US wants to maintain the status quo in the region while China wants to change it. The Australian government has moved to confront Beijing over allegations of human rights abuses in Xinjiang and Hong Kong, and Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian has joined a chorus of. But where does that leave Australia and what does it mean to be a US ally. Were working to restore it. This service may include material from Agence France-Presse (AFP), APTN, Reuters, AAP, CNN and the BBC World Service which is copyright and cannot be reproduced. But which one would have military superiority in outright conflict? "It would also have to be true that if any of the commentators were taken seriously the impact of this reality of preparing for war with China would now be affecting us all. This last outpost of pre-Communist China is an embarrassing thorn in Chairman Xi Jinpings paw. U.S. supplies of many products could soon run low, paralyzing a vast range of businesses. Taiwan is slightly bigger than the state of Maryland; if you recall how quickly Afghanistan and Kabul fell to the Taliban in 2021, you start to realize that the takeover of Taiwan could happen relatively quickly. There are less quantifiable aspects as well. China also has more than 1,350 ballistic and cruise missiles poised to strike U.S. and allied forces in Japan, South Korea, the Philippines and American-held territories in the Western Pacific. "For its part, Australia is casualty averse, as it should be. And Beijings new navy has been in almost a constant string of live fire exercises for the past year. Then theres the sheer difficulty the United States would face waging war thousands of miles across the Pacific against an adversary that has the worlds largest navy and Asias biggest air force. everything from electronics to furniture to shoes. To accept that argument as policy would mark the end of our strategic alliance with the US, leaving us more exposed to Chinese coercive pressure and political warfare, or even a direct military threat, Dr Davis says. Such possibilities seem remote at present. Dr. Babbage is the author of the forthcoming book The Next Major War: Can the U.S. and Its Allies Win Against China?. Stock exchanges in the United States and other countries might temporarily halt trading because of the enormous economic uncertainties. The People's Liberation Army is capable of "substantially subduing" the US Navy in the waters around China, a Communist Party-owned newspaper boasts. Yet the war in Ukraine is relatively small-scale compared with the likely demands of a major war in the Indo-Pacific. This week, China suspended the China-Australia Strategic Economic Dialogue a diplomatic mechanism for trade talksand accused Australia of "disrupt [ing] the normal exchanges and cooperation . Supply chains of some critical goods and services need to be reconfigured to shift production to the United States or allied nations, and the United States must pursue a longer-term strategic drive to restore its dominance in global manufacturing. Rebuilding them could take years. The Pentagons latest threat assessment found China has already achieved parity with or even exceeded the United States in several military modernisation areas, including ship building, land-based conventional ballistic and cruise missiles, and integrated air defence systems.. "Australia's armed forces add very little by way of capability to those of the US. "It depends. He believes a blockade of Taiwan by China is more likely than a cross-strait invasion. John Howard says he has no regrets about the war in Iraq or Australia's involvement in it. An F-16s normal operational radius is usually about 600km. But this will take time. Answer (1 of 34): I must assume Brian Greenhow is joking, but if he is not I must point out that wars aren't won by population numbers or imaginary 'allies', but by real Alliances, either historical or by treaty, and by technology, military hardware, political maneuvers, industry and money, lots . An earlier government tinkered with the concept of a reduction in the ten years of warning but did almost nothing about demonstrating seriousness. That leaves its navy as its primary fighting force. The aim would be to foster confusion, division and distrust and hinder decision making. Over the past decade, China has increasingly viewed the United States as mired in political and social crises. Behm says a war with China would be "profoundly and devastatingly different" from any other war Australia has participated in since World War II. Korea was an unnecessary war, as were the conflicts in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Building a stronger deterrence by addressing such weaknesses is the best means of averting war. of Strategic Forum in Canberra, Australia. They may withhold their offensive cyber power to prevent the US learning their operations. "So, how would China prosecute the war? And hes repeatedly expressed his willingness to go to war to remove it. Taiwan is within that zone: 180 nautical miles. Space would be the first place both sides would go to strike the others forces in event of a conflict, says Tate Nurkin of the US-based Intelligence Group. Former defence minister, Christopher Pyne, told an audience in Adelaide that Taiwan was the most likely next flashpoint in the region. Blood, sweat and tears. There are plenty of nations with grievances against China for its South China Sea policy. Reinforcing Taiwan would likely involve long and bloody battles at sea as underarmed escorts struggle to protect the few but highly vulnerable available transports. America would win because the Australians have been weakened for years by the Emus. If war were to break out, China can be expected to use this to disrupt communications and spread fake news and other disinformation. "In their use of armed force, the American operational paradigm is largely unconcerned by its own casualty rates, so long as they are lower than those of their adversary. Despite this, U.S. military planners would prefer to fight a conventional war. But it is already outnumbered. AEST = Australian Eastern Standard Time which is 10 hours ahead of GMT (Greenwich Mean Time), abc.net.au/news/china-us-war-what-would-conflict-look-like-taiwan/101998772, Help keep family & friends informed by sharing this article. . Australia's oldest running coal-fired power station is about to close. Credit:AP. A major war in the Indo-Pacific is probably more likely now than at any other time since World War II. If other countries come to our aid, that will be highly appreciated, but we will fight the war for our own survival and for our own future.. Fundamentally, it would follow the strategic prescriptions of Sun Tzu in The Art of War. Hugh White, who is also Emeritus Professor of Strategic Studies at the Australian National University, is clear in his analysis: "I do not think there is any credible chance that America, with or without Australia's support, could win a war with China over Taiwan." Principles matter, he writes. "For China, the worst-case scenario is to have to conduct high-intensity operations against Taiwan, the United States, Japan and other US allies and partners simultaneously.. It may be possible for the US to operate from bases in northern Australia, though whether overflight rights would be granted by Indonesia is unlikely. Western submarines will play a role in restraining Chinas surface fleet. "I do not know whether Defence planners in Canberra would have made such estimates. He says given the rate at which Chinese forces are modernising and building capability and capacity "a Chinese victory over the US is the more likely outcome beyond 2035". Six large amphibious vessels have been launched, three since 2015, and a third aircraft carrier, larger than its predecessors, will soon be completed. "As a continental power, China has a distinct preference for land warfare. The general sense among Western European publics is that the current situation in Ukraine is stalemate, rather than one side having an advantage. "China's IADS makes a blockade the most likely scenario. "Melissa Conley Tyler and I (and others) have dealt with the Taiwan question in our joint paper. Some wouldn't survive. And Australia could be fighting for its survival.