God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. I met him about 25 years ago and our spirits bore witness that we are the sons of God. My brother attends an IFB church. Or second, you could be referring to those who held to Baptist beliefs and were called by the name Baptist. The name Fundamental Independent Baptist is of recent origin and came into being because many modern day Baptist churches compromising the Word of God and teaching and practicing false doctrines. Im calling into question yourreasoning as to why you are defending your belief about tithing. Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. The Second Coming: Jesus Christ is coming bodily to earth to rule and judge. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23) Priesthood of the Believer. WHICH BIBLE YOU USE DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE! Patrick was born in Scotland in 360 AD and sold into slavery at age sixteen and carried to Ireland. He can make it without out $$$, but we need to learn to let go of it. Again adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. His crime was that rejected the unbiblical ideas of a state church, infant baptism and other false teachings of the Puritans. It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. The ones Ive attend are really good. Suppose an airplane flew over some isolated country that had no past or present contact with anyone else in the world. (man of God). 2 . Williams graduated from Cambridge University in 1627, and was apparently ordained in the Church of England. I have never believed in obedience to a pastor just obedience to Gods Word Follow us on Pinterest: In Amsterdam, he with Thomas Helwys and thirty six others formed the first Baptist church of English people known to have stood for baptism of believers only. I sat next to this mans bed for hours as he screamed in agony and torment. No one in USA at least (whether IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, MOST CHURCHES, etc) tithe on all belongings at they practiced thier & our money/wealth/argicultural exchange & system is very different. Something else to note here, what were they tithing? HARVEY ND 58341 (701) 324-4415 CH/HM. NoI simply believe we are not required to tithe (like keeping law) but it is a good thing to if one wants to. Assistant Pastor of Fellowship Baptist Church in Watertown, WI since 2017. 601 1ST AVE SE . Just curious. Other churches founded in New England and in the Middle colonies were the actual mother churches of modern Baptist churches as these churches were responsible for starting other churches. 13:8-10). Biblical Mandate for BaptistDeception.com. Many of the TV evangelists and all of the Charismatic and Pentecostal churches promote teachings which are not Biblical. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. Introducing the Abusive Randy Ireland, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) De. Independent churches have no organized organization over them in authority. You seems to be as blind as the Pharisees. And that homeless man that shows up every few weeks may have truly accepted Christ in the past, but events of life led to his downward spiral. Thanks for your response. Although they were a great deal more pious than the Church of England they still practiced most of its beliefs including infant baptism. The KJV is a wonderful translation and very valid for its time, and you, like many others love it for its beautiful shakesperean english. 10 Myths About the King James Version, 68. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. Im not saying thats the case only sharing my experience & by Gods grace I have done so I believe. However, let me strongly say there has always existed an unbroken line of churches who have not erred from the faith, and been true to the Bible, Gods Word. An Independent Fundamental Baptist church exists for the sole purpose of evangelizing the world with the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. That coupled with your seeming lack of spiritual maturity will make for an interesting combination. No new testament christian anywhere in scripture, that I know of, is compelled to give a tithe. Baptists with other citizens were taxed to support the Episcopal church. However, history is clear that in the beginning and into the 9th Century there were churches in Britain that rejected pedo-baptism, popery and other false doctrines of the Catholics. He is only one of many such godly men who would not compromise the truth. Google Maps shows it located in a modest strip mall in Jacksonville, Florida, alongside an arcade, a . My best friend who professes to be Christian (she attends a Southern Baptist church), is dating an evolutionist and she tells me that religion is not high up on her criteria for dating and marriage yet she will call me, upset, and say that her boyfriend is hasseling her about her faith. I can certainly forgive you. @Lynne I appreciate your dedication and your spirit to pursue what God would have for you in the area of giving. But anyway he says that if those folks go to Hell, that their blood would be on your hands. John 10:10, The Puritans were dissenters from the Church of England. Just because all churches do something a certain way (whether its tithing, tithing a tenth, standing on their heads when they pray, or whatever) doesnt make it correct. The point is the name Baptist in the beginning was used to designate a true New Testament assembly that was biblically sound. The tourists and the police finally separated after hundreds of dollars changed hands. The crucial point is not that they called themselves Baptists, but they followed the Bible as their sole authority for faith and practice. I appreciate your stand for the cause of Christ, and remember always to rely on the blessed Word of God to lead and guide you, there will be times perhaps, when someone you really look up to is promoting ideas that are not biblical and yet they try to use the bible to convince you of their veracity. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith around mutual interests or ministry opportunities, but one church cannot exert authority over another. One of the cops finally suggested giving them all their American money and theyd be free to go with a warning. The cops accused them of urinating in the water. Memoirs of a Recovering Fundamentalist, 55. . The one thing that makes one a Baptist is that historically they have followed the New Testament alone as its sole rule for faith and practice. I liken this to attending a Bible study without your Bible. In 1631, he arrived in Boston. He then begins crying, Im not an expert at body language, but it certainly seemed contrived, preachertainment some would call it. when I said I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. But God knows his heart. Shortly after the Church of England fell from grace when the English monarch was overthrown and the Presbyterians became the favored church of the state. Comprized of many nationalities and backgrounds, the secret of successat CR, is that this is a Bible Chuch revolving around King Jesus. (See Acts 20:28, Hebrews 13:7). But it seems bottom line the wealth & sacrifce of it to kingdom building remains the same. So what is the solution? Though we no longer keep the ritual and sacramental law, Gods moral laws and prophesies of things yet to come are not to be ignored. than we pray that they will get right with God It is not the name or the organization that makes a Biblical church, but its practice of the faith as revealed in the New Testament. (See also Gal. Thank you for writing back. The Reformers were those who protested against certain abuses within the Roman Catholic Church. 3:3). For example, G.L. God bless. I do however disagree with anyone mandating that a tenth should go to them & to the church as they see fit only (like giving some to other Christiann Ministries, some to local churche , etc) or that even mandates a tithe. Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. I would love to know your thoughts on the matter. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. In 1638, he landed in Boston and settled for a short time in Piscataway (now Dover) in New Hampshire. Nothing comforted. My point is that Tithing is good since Jesus says they should not have left it undone. Each year members profess 16 articles of faith that include the original five points of fundamentalismthe literal truth of divinely inspired scripture, the Virgin Birth and deity of Christ, substitutionary atonement through Christ, the Resurrection, and the Second Coming of Christ. A comprehensive Independent Baptist Church Directory listing over 8000 churches. Share this: You people are idiots, You cant have the new testament without the old, Christ believed in and followed the old testament, this is why it says he was betrayed on the passover, because he kept the passover and all the other commandments that are in the old testament. I watched a man die last week. The Law was done away withperfect love fullfills all the Law was trying to acomplish. Likewiseif a church is teaching its wrong to do sothey are also in error. I am a musician, so really wouldnt be very content in a church where I couldnt play an instrument and never did go there, except to attend her funeral. Knolleys after two years returned to England at the request of his father. For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. I wish you well in your new school and church. That is what saved believers have always believed, because that is what the New Testament which is Gods Word to man says. Also, as a Southern Baptist, I am wondering if your fifth distinctive disqualifies my congregation, since we are members of the Southern Baptist Convention. May God bless Bob. Im referring to a mistake I made in my fairly long comment, which you may not have seen yet, once you do youll understand I was correcting a statement in my next to last paragraph. I loved what you said about knowing the nature of God. I just wanted you to know that I have made the decision to leave the IFB. Thank you. When I told my Church of Christ neighbor that the Scripture tells us to worship God with musical instruments, she said Thats Old Testament, but in the New Testament it says to sing, making melody in your heart to the Lord. And she said that means that your vocal chords are the instrument. I cannot judge this man. 3) tell you what to wear (John the Baptist probably wouldnt be allowed in most IFB churches Also, I support tithing personally. I dont know awhole lot about the Episcopal church, but Im sure there are some wonderful folks there. Protestants still practice infant baptism which is not taught in the Word of God. I personally do not think tithing is wrong, When Jesus refers to tithing didnt He uphold it & only objected to other sins but did not speak aganist it. If the apostle Peter wanted to show up to Church one day while he was stripped and naked he would probably not be allowed in most Churches unless he put on some clothes. Even the Roman Catholic Church which boasts of his unbroken history cannot prove an unbroken line of churches earlier than the Third Century, and what Catholicism teaches today in no way resembles what the New Testament teaches or what the early churches believed and practiced. Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. In what areas? Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. Because of persecution by the Anglican church of all who disagreed with it and who refused to agree to its authority, John Smyth had to flee England. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? We also have a man that shouts Amen as well. Omissions? . In determining who were the first Baptists, you must first identify who you are referring to. In this sense, any church which founds itself strictly on the New Testament teachings, is a true and Biblical church, even if it existed in time, only yesterday. In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. In 1663, Charles II, gave the colony a royal charter and it read: Our royal will and pleasure is, that no person within the said colony, at any time hereafter, shall be in any wise molested, punished disquieted, or called in question, for any differences of opinion in matters of religion, and do not actually disturb the civil peace of the said colony. What Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5 is ceremonial law. Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Secondly, they believe in a clergy/laity distinction by ordaining so-called Pastors. This is not found in scripture. As for being responsible to share the gospel with those whom God has put in our path; our daily life should show we are different by our character and the way we live. I think I already addressed that point. amzn_assoc_placement = "adunit0"; amzn_assoc_tracking_id = "lifewaymarket-20"; amzn_assoc_ad_mode = "manual"; amzn_assoc_ad_type = "smart"; amzn_assoc_marketplace = "amazon"; amzn_assoc_region = "US"; amzn_assoc_linkid = "7e0c08952d33ff8dd3379356ab6731f1"; amzn_assoc_asins = "1479180297,B00A4SKJXG,1250026261,0830816607,0809134888,0884197689,B00X531UN0,0877888256,0764205374"; amzn_assoc_title = "BaptistDeception.com Book Club Picks"; The true Independent Fundamental Baptists have no association or fellowship with these churches because they teach or practice things contrary to the New Testament. Find fundamental, conservative churches in your area. You may admire their piety, but a true believer in the New Testament would have a great problem with many of their doctrines and especially why they persecuted the Baptists and drove them from their colonies. @greg What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists? If that membership does not disqualify us I would say that we qualify as true baptists under your definition of the term. It helped start the first Baptist church in Philadelphia the following year. I would directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct. God has not entrusted that authority to impart salvation to any man or church. To preach the Bible without the rituals of the Church of England was against the law. Remember new testament christians are never compelled to give mandatory gifts, if you have been taught that, you have been taught wrong. either. Tithing is not for God. That made them in the eyes of God as legitimate a church as any Paul founded. God uses us, to the extent that get out of His way. I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. Its beginning charter reads as follows: We whose names are hereunder written, being desirous to inhabit ourselves in active and passive obedience to all such orders or agencies as shall be made for the public good of the body in an orderly way, by the major consent of the present inhabitants, masters of families, incorporated together into the same, only in civil things.. My statement about folks not studying and just sitting in the pew and listening to the MOG, was not addressed to you specifically, but to folks generally, you wouldnt agree to this? The mighty IFB has spoken It looks like I'm wasting my time. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. In his writings he appears ignorant of the practices of the Roman Church and never refers to church councils, creeds, traditions or even to the existence of a pope. As far as I recall no church ever told me must. I doubt I would be allowed to wear Just a Speedo to any Church on a regular basis. I am divorced, and I always sit in the front rows. This was the best onemembers in our church raise hands, say amen, clap after special music (GASP! Thank you for visiting Fundamental.org Home to the KJV Church directory! From a Calvary Chapel web site: We do not maintain church membership; You must be born again spiritually to join the church of Jesus Christ, therefore membership is in the whole church of Jesus, not just our local fellowship., This practice stems from their Moses model (top down) style of church leadership. It is not historically correct to identify Baptists as Catholic protestors who left the Roman church. Not sure where to post this so lets try here. In North Carolina the first Baptist church was started in the northeastern coastal region at Perquimans, in Chowan County in 1727. I appreciate your response, I am especially glad to hear that your mother has returned to the church. 71 N., De Queen, Arkansas 71832, United States of America DeQueen Flag Listing Claim This Listing Arbanna Baptist Church I request any comment left to me is free of insults and vulgarities, please). But still, I think if I wanted to lead Worship wearing Just a speedo I probably would not be allowed to do this in most Churches. They do not accept that authority was given to any particular man, pope, prophet, group or church on earth to be the means of the salvation of men. Shall we offer excuses that were only human? So far newere at IFB church (if is is refered to as one by a IFB site think) & has not as far as I know been told must. G.L. We never shun people who leave the church. So I wonder again is this God desire or your thing? If the staff at Costa Mesa accepts the person, he becomes an affiliated clergyman in a global network led by Chuck Smith.. Blessings. Please see the Tithing Deception and Tithe 10% or Get Punished articles for more information. He continued to read the New Testament, and became fully aware that infant baptism, sprinkling for baptism, and allowing unsaved people to be members of the church was not Scriptural. No tithing is not mandated, no good work is..just as no good work can save us. Suppose too that some of them on reading that Bible were to believe and repent of their sins and place their trust in Gods Son and His redemption for personal sin. Ok, so Im pretty sure you are referring to the Church of Christ that was founded by good ol Thomas Campbell (1763-1854) He was a fine Scottish Presbyterian who left Ireland to come to western PA. in 1807. Shady Acres Baptist Church August Campmeeting; All purchases through OUR BOOKSTORE & RESOURCES TAB cover the cost of operating the KJV church directory thereby making the site totally FREE and never asking for donation help. Hi, in your opening statement use say that God has not party with them, those who operate under any systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church. Anyway at least once a year we set up a tent and have an old-fashioned revival. My responsibility is to preach the Word. Some Baptists such as the Landmark Baptist and those often referred to as Sir, The more and more that I looked into it and studied the scripture, I realized not only were they wrong they were *completely* wrong about tithing, in fact, they didnt have a clue, and this was the standard teaching throughout the IFB. Your reasoning is faulty. We are not under law. Perfectly Preserved Word of God Deception, 67. Not just the New Testament. In answer your assumptions about me. Ive told bits and pieces of my story here over the last couple of years, so dont want to travel back through all of that, suffice it to say I left a very legalistic IFB, and now find myself in a tiny, new work that a friend started about 4 years ago (about 20 on Sunday) he calls it a Baptist church, I spoke to him about taking the baptist title out of it, but he wouldnt have it. Lynne- Thanks for clearing that up. A church which cannot answer yes to all of these questions cannot historically call itself a Baptist church. I know of no place in scripture where a tithe is ever money! As far as I can tell, we are not cultic in any way and just like any other denomination we have our doctrinal differences. Jesus upheld tithing because the Mosaic law was still in force for the Jews until the death of Christ. The message is set. They were a New Testament church, not because of a succession of churches or men, but because they formed their church on the principles of the New Testament. We had an elderly woman that lifted her hands and shouted to the Lord the entire service before she went home to be with Him. It is important to note too, that each Believer must be passionate about winning lost folks to Christ. Ok so he starts attempting to pull the heart strings about loved ones that you are around daily, and if you are telling them enough about getting saved etc. IFCA International was founded in 1930 as the Independent Fundamental Churches of America in response to the growing apostasy within the major denominations. Places Near Chandler, AZ with Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches. I chose to focus on the doctrine of separation as typically understood by Independent Baptists (I was one). The center of Baptist activity in the colonies was in the Philadelphia area, and Baptists held regular general meetings of the churches for devotional and evangelistic purposes there. If it furthers & advances the Kingdom of God (the Church, Evangelism, Missionaries, etc), then I believe it is going to God. Further, suppose that a Bible somehow was to fall from the plane and the inhabitants of this isolated land were to be able to pick up that Bible and read the text for themselves. [CDATA[ Others have to a lesser degree compromised the Word of God by their teaching, practices and church polity trying to confront to popular religious tends. halftruth and deception ministries. Such as The Church of Christ? . Thank you for your help! I am not in favor of tactics that play on peoples emotions so as to secure a visible result. Pointing out failures of pastors, church congregations and movements can be informative as long as we also point out that not all, or even most of the groups involved are entwined in grevious and blatant sin. Many churches were organized in the following years. 3:1-16) However, some Independent Baptist churches do not accept that the word "officer" is the proper biblical term to be used and particularly does not apply to deacons. The Pharisees tithed on all their belongings. I usually look fwd to these. If people would only study the Word of God for themselves and stop being pew sitters and believe everything the pastor says of gospel truth theyd be able to spot a false doctrine/teacher a mile away. I think that you should go kill your children. Thus, history and the doctrines of Protestantism clearly show that Baptists are not Protestants. 6) teach old testament tithing new testamenent giving is found in 2 Cor 9:7 Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. Both are true and one doesnt cancel out the other. I dont like dressing up. I attend an IFB church. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception. They write new content and verify and edit content received from contributors. She eventually left because my uncle (divorced numerous times himself), rode her case about it. So you made assumptions based on very little. PASTOR PAUL DYCK. However, tithing has nothing to do with your Salvation I still attend a tiny (20-30 on Sunday) Baptist Church, and yes it is IFB. Thanks and may God bless. I would prefer just wearing casual clothes like I do just about every time. So, I guess we are not all as rigid as one would believe from some comments. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. 1. Its nothing personal, just logic. PO BOX 346. Roger Williams is credited with founding the first Baptist church on American soil. If someone leaves the church and lives a worldly life style (no church or fellowship with Christ, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, fornication, homosexuality, etc.) Knolleys joined other dissenters left England. Drinkers go to the next town to buy their drinks. Although the Roman Catholic Church claims him as one of their saints, there is no evidence he even knew the Catholic church existed. this is a great book research on cultist church The Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. I dont know what you are referring to by saying they dont use the O.T.? The one caution I would give is to allow God to speak to you through the scriptures, that is the most critical. 2.) 1 Peter 3:16, Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. Overview of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination, A Brief Survey Of Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches: What They are and What is Their History. A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. The grace economy is a much superior way to live a life pleasing to God. These distinctives are the distinctives taught in Bible which constitute a true New Testament church. About modesty, my wife and I attended a concert that my sons band performed at a teen group in a neighboring town. When a congregation results from the preaching of the Gospel, authenticating that congregation as a New Testament church rests solely on its doctrine and practice.not in its affiliation. It sounds like you believe that we are not required to tithe, but somehow we are better off if we do? Protestants for centuries saw the Baptists as their enemies and murdered them by the thousands in the name of Protestantism. Anyone who differed with the practices of the State church were subject to great persecution. I believe the following is an accurate list of Fundamentals, but if anyone sees erro please inform us & esp with Scripture. Jesus Peace, Joy, and Guidance be with us all. I am not trying to be overly critical and yet I only have a certain amt of time to get to my points and while doing that I often come across that way, so forgive me. But it is for these very reasons that I and millions of other Americans cant understand it. All systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church has lead to doctrinal errors and corruption without exception and God has not party with them. You are right, Jesus came to fulfill the law. Firstly, they take a denominational name: Baptist. 521 13 AVE W. WILLISTON ND 58801 (701) 572-7839 CH. Thier is nothing harmful in regard sto relating to other denominations if ny that you mean fellowships that are Christian. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalm 137:9. It is often said that the Protestant Reformation had both a formal cause and a material cause. It is difficult to document these congregations because they were rarely in the spot light of history. Tithing was never required for anyone except Jews who lived under the Mosaic economy. This is the true heritage the Fundamental Baptists holds dear, there have always been assemblies which submitted themselves only to the sole authority of the Word of God. Greg all churches that suppoort Tithing as a good thing (incl IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, Many Non-Denominational Chruches,etc) Tithe a Tenth of thier income to building Gods Kingdom. In 1684, a Baptist church in Maine seeking greater religious liberty was relocated to Charleston, South Carolina. Im made of dirt, but God is gonna let my neighbor go to Hell because the dirt-clod next door didnt give him a Chick tract!! Knolleys was imprisoned many times and suffered at the hands of the State Church. watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it We are not under law, but under grace. We dress however we want, however, my Pastor chides me in good nature, because I frequently wear black clothing, but he is not being critical.